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welcome everybody to paying radio

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tonight is august 6th sunday 2017.

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welcome to the show tonight we are live

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at the irn studios north here in

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northern wisconsin next to beautiful

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lake superior and it was a beautiful day

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out with sun lake wind in about 75

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degrees so welcome to the show i'm here

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with my co-host mr ken storch how you

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doing ken

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hey i'm doing great and uh we're looking

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forward to tonight's show oh yeah oh

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yeah tonight's show's gonna be a good

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one too um i've had her on a few

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different times she's a fellow cheese

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head kind of replanted herself in bear

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land but we'll talk with mary in just a

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second you got any shout outs

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kenny uh hey just a couple i want to uh

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have a shout out to laura hunter

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you doing guys thanks for listening

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perfect and i'd like to do a shout out

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to all our listeners that are checking

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in on facebook i'm starting i'm starting

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to see you know different countries and

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i think it's really neat and we're

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seeing a lot of listenership and a lot

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of followers coming from different uh

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places on the planet because there are

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many different ways you can listen to

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inception radio network you can listen

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on iheartradio download our podcast

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we're pretty much everywhere we have our

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own app and go to the app store and then

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download inception radio network mobile

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and you can chat right from our app

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which is really neat too a lot of people

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hang out on their ipads coming to chat

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and uh ask our guests or our guest

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questions which is a pretty neat thing

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so we're very pumped about that and

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don't forget next week

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9 pm eastern we will have another

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installment of the john ford ufo

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nightmare i think we were trying to get

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somebody to talk to john

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ken and i don't know if i've heard

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has a recording of them or not i don't

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i have not heard anything yet uh either

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but yeah you're right they were gonna

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try to uh at least do a uh

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whatever and then we'd be able to play

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that on the show but i have not heard

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right right so we'll see what we can do

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we got a week before the show but the

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brain trust will get together next

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sunday and uh we'll see where john's at

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show on over two years now but

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i think we're making strides towards a

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different lawyer is the rumor can so if

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we can get somebody in there that's

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rights i think that would make a hell of

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a difference

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yeah he needs a different legal beagle

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that's my opinion that's for sure oh

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yeah definitely well tonight our guest

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tonight uh she's been on the show

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probably four or five times she's a

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fellow cheese head she's the former

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giants and other other archaeological

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finds but we're going to dig in tonight

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and we have some important issues we got

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to bring to the forefront but i'm going

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to introduce mary here and let mary uh

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tell her tell our listeners a little bit

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about ourselves thank you for coming

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mary

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oh thank you for having me back m.d oh

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it's it's been great how have you been

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oh i've been doing really well thank you

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and yeah i may be in bear's country

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and so is my husband

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we we stay blue we stay true and blue

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i should say green and gold green and

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gold there you go i i have a rumor last

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night that our family night had 63 000

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people and the bears had 13 000. so uh

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right there that tells you how your fan

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base is right there i don't mean to be

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mean to our chicago and illinois friends

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because our other studio is out of

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chicago but but you know we're packer

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backers and we love our team i know that

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is heidi

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heidi is a packer fan also

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all right good girl milwaukee girl yep

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well and and you know we all know that

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there's only one team and that's the

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orange go broncos right

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see he's in there

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yeah

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oh man well mary you want to tell our

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listeners a little bit about yourself

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and i mean you've you've written a few

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books and uh you know tell them a little

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done you've came across some pretty

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awesome finds too in the state of

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okay i can do that for you

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first of all let me say that

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i have seven books out

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i'm doing my live streaming now

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and i'm taking all my old bufo radio

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shows and change them into live stream

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and putting them on facebook and uh

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that's been a big project and let's see

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still doing my tours you know out there

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the woods is just as strong as they ever

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were if not stronger

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uh let's see what else do i do i do

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illinois and wisconsin still doing my

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let's see what else do i do you do a lot

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i must be doing something else i'm just

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i just can't i just can't remember right

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but uh we've been um

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you know as most people know that uh

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five of my books is a series it's uh

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called uh in search of ancient man

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and the first book i put out was the red

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haired giants that really took off well

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very very popular book

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the red haired giants of north america

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the giants and lost races and um

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the traditions of ancient man

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a cryptid researcher so i'm out there in

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the woods um hunting down bigfoot a lot

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many feet away were you away from him

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ken uh

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footprint was to where i was standing

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was uh just shy of 12 feet

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about 20 foot oh wow

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that's still close up

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i mean for you too 12 foot that had been

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amazing though oh it was an all-ship

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moment let me tell you

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it was uh go ahead

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did they use empress uh the one that

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did he use what on me

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i'm not sure what that is i mean could

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you move um everything felt kind of

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he he didn't i say he he didn't realize

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a strange encounter in that respect but

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i think he's good

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when the one that i encountered he used

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and for the people that don't know about

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infrasound what it is it's a

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it's a a very low frequency that most

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tigers use it you know

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on their uh prey uh i whales use it i

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believe

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squid use it you know bunch of different

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types of predators do use it and what it

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does is it when they give out this blast

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of infrasound it actually paralyzes you

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where you can't move well i if

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if it did happen i was not aware of it

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it it was it was eyeballed eyeball

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though that's for sure yeah he probably

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didn't because he was more in shock just

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as much in shock as you were oh

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absolutely yeah

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and uh i'm sure i had the same look on

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my face as uh it had

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on his face yeah i agree yeah what an

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amazing experience was yours a day time

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or night time it was uh it was uh

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daytime

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oh 3 30 maybe 4 o'clock in the evening

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in early april so

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yeah it was uh it was uh it was

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interesting to say the least

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is that pennsylvania if i'm correct

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yeah western pennsylvania in clearfield

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county and uh right outside of a small

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town called dubois pennsylvania or

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dubois depending on how you pronounce it

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i talked to linda gabri on one of the

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shows and

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it could have even been yours

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mj but um we we both feel that there's

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at least 10 000 of them just here in the

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state of wisconsin i wouldn't doubt it

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i wouldn't i mean if you go out there in

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the woods and you look around

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i mean it's just like

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heck you know it's but it's not

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difficult to find um you know their

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structures and footprints and their

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yeah i think as long as they're just all

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over the place i think as long as they

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have a good cover and a good water

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source nearby i think they they're

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they're pretty much everywhere i was

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20 miles south of superior too a

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gentleman called me and i was on on the

280
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property found a few different

281
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you know found some branches in weird

282
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formations but very a very good you know

283
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source of

284
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river running through there and you know

285
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if they have all them resources i mean

286
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they're gonna be they're gonna be in

287
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multiple places i agree

288
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yeah

289
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maybe at one point of time maybe there

290
00:12:26,949 --> 00:12:23,279
wasn't that many but you know their

291
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hey mary i uh you mentioned the dogma

292
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and um and mj i came back from oklahoma

293
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city

294
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um gave a little talk

295
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actually in lexington oklahoma on friday

296
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but uh there has apparently and i was

297
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not aware of this there's been like

298
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three sightings in the last

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a couple of months of a dog

300
00:12:56,790 --> 00:12:53,120
person or a dog man uh down in uh in

301
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that area of oklahoma oh wow yeah and uh

302
00:13:00,150 --> 00:12:58,399
mary what do you you said you didn't

303
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want to meet one and i'm curious as to

304
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why

305
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well i just think that um that they're

306
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more well like with the bigfoot i see

307
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them as more human

308
00:13:15,990 --> 00:13:14,079
and i look at the dog men as um

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animalistic

310
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and i think that the

311
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i feel that if you give them plenty of

312
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birth and they've ate

313
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that you probably would not have any

314
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problems with them

315
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but you know just like any other wild

316
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animal when they're out on the hunt

317
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you're not they're just going to be

318
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seeing you as just another you know type

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of a prey

320
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another meal yeah and i'm glad to hear

321
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you uh say that uh uh that you see

322
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bigfoot as more human because the

323
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creature that i didn't i encountered in

324
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western pennsylvania that was my

325
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impression that i was dealing with more

326
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human than ape that's for sure

327
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yeah they have um they have quite a lot

328
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of intelligence and you know and it

329
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seems

330
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i can

331
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with my studies i've been able to take

332
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uh

333
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i've been able to take the bigfoot all

334
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the way back to the days of gilgamesh

335
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when they called them the inky do

336
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and i've been able to take the dog man

337
00:14:19,990 --> 00:14:18,000
all the way back to uh nebuchadnezzar

338
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during the tower of babel

339
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so they've been around quite a long time

340
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this you know the stories of them have

341
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them

342
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yeah and most indian tribes also will

343
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have some type of you know creature

344
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creature in the past or they they all

345
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have different names for for for a

346
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bigfoot which is i think a very neat

347
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thing so they're they're encountering

348
00:14:42,069 --> 00:14:39,839
similar creatures with you know every

349
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every type of you know nation you know

350
00:14:47,030 --> 00:14:44,480
throughout the us in the past of course

351
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probably encountering no i know near

352
00:14:52,310 --> 00:14:50,160
near cloquet minnesota over 30 miles

353
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west of us it's one of the hotter spots

354
00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:54,480
i've read in a couple books but it's

355
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been on monster quests and also where

356
00:14:59,670 --> 00:14:58,160
they're walking across the road hit the

357
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guy hit one with the car ran in the

358
00:15:03,269 --> 00:15:01,279
woods even shot at it thought he nicked

359
00:15:05,269 --> 00:15:03,279
it but it was came up almost right on

360
00:15:07,910 --> 00:15:05,279
the porch of the house but yeah yeah

361
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it's crazy yeah well it's like good luck

362
00:15:11,509 --> 00:15:09,760
you know who i'll use listeners out

363
00:15:14,470 --> 00:15:11,519
there that actually thinks that you can

364
00:15:16,949 --> 00:15:14,480
now shoot a bigfoot and get away with it

365
00:15:19,189 --> 00:15:16,959
because as a forest ranger once told me

366
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or a guy working for the dnr

367
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that as far as the the united states

368
00:15:28,790 --> 00:15:26,160
government is concerned they own all the

369
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animals and whether they have them on an

370
00:15:33,829 --> 00:15:31,600
endangered species list or not they

371
00:15:35,509 --> 00:15:33,839
still belong to the government and if

372
00:15:38,310 --> 00:15:35,519
you kill one of them

373
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you're going to be going to jail and

374
00:15:43,189 --> 00:15:41,360
paying one heck of a big fine

375
00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:43,199
you know so i mean that's why we have

376
00:15:48,389 --> 00:15:45,120
hunting seasons we have to go get

377
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permission to hunt bear and hunt cougar

378
00:15:52,550 --> 00:15:51,120
and hunt deer and things like that well

379
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and i think it goes a little bit further

380
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than that mary if it turns out that

381
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there's a lot of human dna involved you

382
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could be charged with manslaughter

383
00:16:04,389 --> 00:16:02,959
well well of course

384
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and there was something that i

385
00:16:12,790 --> 00:16:07,279
discovered i did a i was doing some

386
00:16:19,269 --> 00:16:15,509
and you know there has been a lot of

387
00:16:23,189 --> 00:16:19,279
them found here in the united states

388
00:16:25,670 --> 00:16:23,199
and these feral children as the if they

389
00:16:26,949 --> 00:16:25,680
grow up in the wild like let's say for

390
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example

391
00:16:31,749 --> 00:16:28,480
they were a

392
00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:31,759
parent and believe it or not they did

393
00:16:35,749 --> 00:16:33,920
a long time ago parents would simply

394
00:16:37,749 --> 00:16:35,759
just drop their kids off in the woods

395
00:16:39,670 --> 00:16:37,759
and take off like they would a

396
00:16:41,990 --> 00:16:39,680
a dog or a cat

397
00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:42,000
and you know some of the kids survived

398
00:16:48,389 --> 00:16:45,360
and like for example if a wolf

399
00:16:52,310 --> 00:16:48,399
adopted one of these children

400
00:16:55,110 --> 00:16:52,320
the child would you know be brought up

401
00:16:58,949 --> 00:16:55,120
in that habitat that environment

402
00:17:00,069 --> 00:16:58,959
they would learn how to run on all fours

403
00:17:05,189 --> 00:17:00,079
and

404
00:17:07,270 --> 00:17:05,199
young bodies you know how bodies get

405
00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:07,280
molded according to you know their

406
00:17:14,230 --> 00:17:10,880
activity right so as their young growing

407
00:17:16,949 --> 00:17:14,240
up their bones would actually mold

408
00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:16,959
to the point where they'd be able to

409
00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:19,919
easily run on all fours

410
00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:22,799
and plus that because of the being

411
00:17:27,510 --> 00:17:25,679
exposed to the elements

412
00:17:30,789 --> 00:17:27,520
they have found these feral children

413
00:17:32,470 --> 00:17:30,799
with full bodies of hair

414
00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:32,480
so and they

415
00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:34,240
you know so

416
00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:36,480
you and then of course the children grow

417
00:17:41,110 --> 00:17:39,520
up into adults and people see them out

418
00:17:43,270 --> 00:17:41,120
there in the woods

419
00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:43,280
they could easily mistake one of these

420
00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:45,200
feral people

421
00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:48,240
as a small bigfoot and shoot it and find

422
00:17:51,830 --> 00:17:49,760
out it was human

423
00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:51,840
or even a dog or even a dog man type of

424
00:17:56,150 --> 00:17:54,160
creature too i i would guess

425
00:17:58,789 --> 00:17:56,160
yeah oh wow

426
00:18:00,789 --> 00:17:58,799
but you know like in uh during the days

427
00:18:02,070 --> 00:18:00,799
of depression and during the days of the

428
00:18:04,390 --> 00:18:02,080
depression

429
00:18:06,150 --> 00:18:04,400
a lot of people could not feed their

430
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:06,160
children

431
00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:08,799
and they would actually you know take

432
00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:10,720
them out into the woods and drop them

433
00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:12,320
off

434
00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:14,320
and and then there's just cold-blooded

435
00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:16,640
people that would do the same thing but

436
00:18:21,029 --> 00:18:19,520
uh and then remember the stories of the

437
00:18:23,510 --> 00:18:21,039
orphan train

438
00:18:25,590 --> 00:18:23,520
that would pick up these uh kids on the

439
00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:25,600
streets of new york city

440
00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:28,559
and then uh bring bring these orphans to

441
00:18:34,070 --> 00:18:31,919
the midwest and then you know as this

442
00:18:37,430 --> 00:18:34,080
history states today they were given

443
00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:37,440
good homes and uh

444
00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:43,760
right but actually what was happening

445
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:45,600
was these people were getting these

446
00:18:50,549 --> 00:18:48,720
orphans you know so that they could like

447
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:50,559
slaves

448
00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:52,640
working these little kids

449
00:18:57,190 --> 00:18:55,440
and when they were no longer useful they

450
00:18:59,270 --> 00:18:57,200
would just kick them out and then the

451
00:19:02,710 --> 00:18:59,280
kids would have to go find

452
00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:02,720
a means of taking care of themselves so

453
00:19:07,270 --> 00:19:04,720
during that time and that would been

454
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:07,280
still in that depression era there was a

455
00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:09,360
lot of kids that was dumped out into the

456
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:13,120
woods thus a lot so thus became all the

457
00:19:15,190 --> 00:19:14,240
feral

458
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:15,200
um

459
00:19:18,549 --> 00:19:16,320
sightings

460
00:19:21,110 --> 00:19:18,559
there was uh this woman that came into

461
00:19:22,789 --> 00:19:21,120
the sci-fi cafe one time and just kind

462
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:22,799
of blew me away

463
00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:25,760
because she told me that burlington

464
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:28,480
wisconsin actually had this

465
00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:31,280
great big center in the

466
00:19:36,310 --> 00:19:33,679
early 1900s

467
00:19:39,110 --> 00:19:36,320
where you know an institution it was

468
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:39,120
like a a huge building two floors at

469
00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:40,480
least

470
00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:43,520
and that's what they did there is they

471
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:47,120
took care of feral people

472
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:49,440
that's how many there was in burlington

473
00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:51,039
at one time

474
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:54,640
and they said she was telling me that um

475
00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:57,679
if they could get them before what was

476
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:59,520
it three years old or something like

477
00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:00,400
that

478
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:03,440
they could probably get them to speak

479
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:06,480
but after a certain length of time of

480
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:09,360
not using those vocal cords you know for

481
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:13,039
language oh sure uh they would just um

482
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:15,200
you never could get them to speak they

483
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:17,679
would just um they would just answer in

484
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:21,440
howls and grunts and things like that

485
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:24,240
but yeah there was a lot of those uh

486
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:26,240
those feral children that were being

487
00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:28,400
found to the point like i said they

488
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:30,640
actually had an institution

489
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:34,320
to get them and take care of them crazy

490
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:37,039
huh oh wow yeah yeah i've i've heard of

491
00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:39,120
that i mean and

492
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:41,280
how it you know so

493
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:44,240
and then the indians also talk about a

494
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:46,240
lot of their people

495
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:48,799
all want to that won't go

496
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:51,120
more of the shaman way

497
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:54,559
and they cut and they leave the village

498
00:21:00,070 --> 00:20:57,360
without any provisions or clothing from

499
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:00,080
what i understand and they just live a

500
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:03,520
life out in the woods wild

501
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:05,440
and you know to become more part of

502
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:06,640
nature

503
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:08,640
and of course those people too would

504
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:11,520
have the long hair uh their body would

505
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:13,679
be covered with hair you know to protect

506
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,960
them from the elements and uh so

507
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:18,720
there's a lot of things out there that

508
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:20,799
look like a bigfoot

509
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:23,360
but aren't bigfoot and if you're gonna

510
00:21:27,060 --> 00:21:26,000
shoot one of them you will definitely go

511
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:27,070
to chris

512
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:28,720
[Music]

513
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:31,360
oh yeah yeah that's uh

514
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:32,159
so

515
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:34,880
many people right now that

516
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:36,880
you know there's radio shows out there

517
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:38,799
in television shows are actually

518
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:40,720
promoting

519
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:42,000
fear

520
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,880
whereas people are wanting to go into

521
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:46,400
the national parks and everything

522
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:48,559
carrying guns

523
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:51,679
and i personally would be more afraid of

524
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:53,840
some person that is full of fear

525
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:55,919
carrying a gun you better then i would

526
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:58,799
be and running onto a bigfoot oh you bet

527
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:00,559
oh you bet

528
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:03,440
yeah so so is illinois

529
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:04,880
more active down there in the northern

530
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:07,520
part than wisconsin i mean you you

531
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:10,400
from what linda godfrey told me

532
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:14,159
uh we're right in the center of dogman

533
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:17,120
country oh yeah that's what i figured

534
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:19,280
do you remember that documentary i don't

535
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:21,840
know if it was on sci-fi or the history

536
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:24,559
channel where these young adults had

537
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,919
pulled down into this area called avon

538
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:29,440
bottoms

539
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:30,400
and

540
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:34,080
had seen some dogmen

541
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:37,360
uh a family of dog men getting a a drink

542
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:39,120
of water

543
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:41,919
yeah i believe so yeah yeah yeah well i

544
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:45,039
was there linda gabriel came and we we

545
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:48,240
went there i think it was last year

546
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:49,919
because she wanted to show me where that

547
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:53,200
was and um anyhow we found bigfoot

548
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:56,400
tracks down there oh wow you know they'd

549
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:59,039
come out of the water into the mud and

550
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:01,760
left really nice bigfoot tracks so

551
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,720
apparently these dog men and bigfoot

552
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:06,240
pretty much

553
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:07,120
um

554
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:08,559
i don't know if they like each other

555
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:11,280
exist somewhat co-existing yeah yeah i

556
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:12,320
know ken

557
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:14,720
ken stated that i think he was he was

558
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,080
your with that was the creature you

559
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:18,400
spotted picking up crawfish out of the

560
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:20,480
river ken is that what you thought

561
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,480
yeah um

562
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:24,320
you know standing up on a hilltop and

563
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:27,039
looking down into nero's creek which was

564
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,919
actually a river at that time um

565
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:31,039
uh

566
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:33,760
yeah it appeared i didn't know what a

567
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:35,600
long story short yeah he

568
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:37,919
he was turning over rocks getting uh

569
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:40,960
eating crawfish and he did have a small

570
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:43,039
deer over over his back that he was

571
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:45,440
carrying when the encounter took place

572
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:46,400
yeah

573
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,480
think they eat anything roots berries

574
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,400
deer squirrels you know whatever they

575
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:58,720
can get their hands on yeah kind of like

576
00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:00,080
us

577
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,159
yeah well i am i mean i like crawfish

578
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:04,400
and i like deer so yeah you know i'm not

579
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,039
that far removed

580
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:09,600
well the people you know people will say

581
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:11,919
well you know wisconsin southern

582
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:14,559
wisconsin area doesn't have all those

583
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,480
big woods

584
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:18,480
you know like the northern woods and

585
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:21,279
washington and that but what we've got

586
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:23,120
is even better for them because we got

587
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,080
all these swamps

588
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,799
and you get into those swamp if they get

589
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:30,720
into those swamps you're never going to

590
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:33,919
find them because those swamps have bogs

591
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:35,279
and if you don't know where you're

592
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:38,080
walking those blogs are like quicksand

593
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:39,840
oh i think they're very adaptable i

594
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:43,440
think that that they're capable of

595
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:44,159
of

596
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,960
environment um i wouldn't be surprised

597
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:50,159
to be honest with you that in the

598
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:51,679
outskirts of your major cities that

599
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,080
they're not dipsy

600
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,240
diving you know i mean i think that

601
00:25:02,310 --> 00:24:58,559
they're very capable

602
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:02,320
of uh of uh living uh almost off of

603
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:03,919
anything like i said they're omnivorous

604
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:06,799
they'll lead anything anywhere anytime

605
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:09,039
and mary being in this being in a swamp

606
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:10,480
that wouldn't be any difficult for them

607
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,640
i don't they see any difficulty

608
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:14,880
because those swamps i mean you know

609
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:17,520
those cattails they grow what 12 foot

610
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:18,799
tall oh yeah

611
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:20,799
and so they could get in there and i

612
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,279
mean they got water they got you know

613
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:25,360
frogs they got all different types of

614
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:28,320
ducks geese i mean all kinds of

615
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,760
waterfowl and uh hell deer go in and out

616
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:33,840
of those bogs too so

617
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,080
wild rice i mean they could make beds in

618
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,559
there you know i mean it's to me the

619
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:40,559
perfect place for them and then of

620
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:42,799
course south east or southeastern

621
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,159
wisconsin has a lot of cave systems too

622
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:48,000
so they can be living in the cave

623
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:50,000
systems as well

624
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:52,720
but going with a dog man

625
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:56,559
um i was talking to this lady she

626
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:58,720
brought up a really um

627
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:01,200
she brought up a really interesting idea

628
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:03,039
that these dog men

629
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,320
may be

630
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:06,480
what

631
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:10,400
may be these uh prehistoric dire wolves

632
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:13,120
d-i-r-e

633
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:15,520
dire wolves they supposed to became

634
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:18,960
extinct about 10 000 years ago

635
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:20,799
but we've known

636
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:22,960
lately that a lot of things that you

637
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:23,679
know

638
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:26,880
that the dnr or scientists has claimed

639
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:29,120
to be extinct we found them still

640
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,400
existing

641
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:32,799
so they could be some sort of a branch

642
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:35,200
off these dire walls

643
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,320
and

644
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:38,720
because they they're starting to you

645
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:42,400
know it's like these um these wild dogs

646
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,600
you know um these feral dogs and that

647
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,159
you know they've gotten so in raccoons

648
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:50,159
and bearing that they've gotten used to

649
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:51,600
seeing people

650
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,559
so now

651
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:54,480
you know because they're used to seeing

652
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:56,799
people they've lost that fear and so

653
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:59,440
they're starting to come into town these

654
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:00,960
dog men are

655
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:02,720
and um

656
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:06,880
and you know raiding people's um garbage

657
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,720
and things like that

658
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:10,799
and then there's another thing i wanted

659
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:13,679
to point out about the dog man

660
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:17,520
to me a dog man is like a dog a canine

661
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,760
and you hear people saying oh well you

662
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,600
know i was going down the road i was

663
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:23,520
only going about 20 miles an hour and

664
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:25,840
this dog man comes running out of this

665
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:26,799
field

666
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:28,880
and then he starts chasing after me in

667
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:31,840
my car i pick up speed that keeps right

668
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:34,559
along going you know with me

669
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:37,760
and then they'll try to bite the car

670
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,039
and and somebody had said well

671
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:43,440
that well that's not well no other

672
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,520
animal does that

673
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,600
and it's like yeah you've never been out

674
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,080
in these farming communities apparently

675
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,039
because these farmers dogs that's the

676
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:55,679
best game that they got going is chasing

677
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:57,520
after cars and trying to fight their

678
00:28:03,590 --> 00:27:59,679
wheels

679
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:03,600
you know marilyn um posted in chat that

680
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,320
bigfoot was seen digging in a dipstick

681
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:07,919
dumpster

682
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,120
near yukon oklahoma near

683
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:13,679
the lucky star casino and i think they

684
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:16,559
even had a picture of one uh taken with

685
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:18,000
a uh

686
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,360
cell phone of some kind of

687
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,520
bipedal creature digging in a dumpster

688
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,279
down in florida too one of the skunk

689
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:27,760
apes or whatever they refer to it as

690
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:32,080
so i i wouldn't see um um

691
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:35,679
and as as population expands and as

692
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,640
cities grow and and and the suburbs go

693
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:40,720
further and further into the i think

694
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:42,399
you're going to see more of that

695
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,360
yeah

696
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,440
i agree all right i wonder i often

697
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:47,760
wonder if he's dumpster diving at burger

698
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:49,360
king and then getting high cholesterol

699
00:28:52,590 --> 00:28:50,799
though

700
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,600
just kidding

701
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,200
[Laughter]

702
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:57,360
i mean yeah hey you know what though

703
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:59,279
what the hell i mean you know

704
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,960
if you're hungry you'll eat anything

705
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,880
pretty much that's right pretty much

706
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,159
mcdonald's

707
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,480
yeah yeah well let's let's take a break

708
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:08,320
right now we'll be right back on paying

709
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:09,840
radio with mary sutherland we'll get

710
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,360
into some history of burlington

711
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,200
wisconsin and

712
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:15,600
an ongoing issue that we have to bring

713
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:17,039
to the forefront for all you listeners

714
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:23,669
welcome back to paying radio tonight we

715
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:27,440
have on our guest and author researcher

716
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:29,919
mary sutherland out of she's originally

717
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:31,600
a cheesehead but she's down in illinois

718
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,440
now we're talking dog man

719
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:36,000
werewolves bigfoot and uh we're gonna

720
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,520
talk about burlington wisconsin uh mary

721
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:41,360
mary trump the grounds of burlington for

722
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,480
quite a few years now mary didn't you

723
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:47,039
i probably got close to two decades in

724
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:48,559
there

725
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:51,279
that's a long time actually about 16

726
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:52,480
years

727
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,159
very cool and and you're in you're the

728
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:56,640
former owner of the sci-fi cafe which i

729
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,279
never got to go to i wish i could have

730
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:01,360
oh bummer you would have loved it oh

731
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:04,720
yeah oh yeah it was um i had created

732
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:08,000
space for people of like minds to be

733
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:09,600
able to go to

734
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:13,840
and tell their stories of ufos bigfoot

735
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:16,640
their theories on time travel whatever

736
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:18,880
they wanted to speak about they could go

737
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:20,799
there know that they were safe they were

738
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:23,840
not going to be ridiculed by others

739
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,720
and

740
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:26,399
we used to play

741
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:29,760
sci-fi movies and we had good food we

742
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:32,000
had down in the basement

743
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:35,360
a haunted cellar oh my god it was

744
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:38,240
and then we had it was very big too

745
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:41,360
and we had one room that was um a movie

746
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:46,000
room with um uh with a library and um

747
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,440
we would

748
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:49,679
people just be able to come in

749
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:51,440
and the library was just set up with

750
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:54,240
metaphysical books

751
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:57,600
holistic books uh ufos paranormal

752
00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:59,279
whatever you know

753
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:01,760
mystery type books and people would just

754
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:04,799
come in and said you know on a nice cozy

755
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,279
chair and grab a cup of tea or coffee

756
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:09,200
and just kind of chill out

757
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,360
you used to have it we could do um and

758
00:31:15,510 --> 00:31:13,679
then we would do haunted tours then on

759
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,520
saturday nights oh wow and you used to

760
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,600
have a nice little conference

761
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,679
their schedule you used to have a nice a

762
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:21,360
good conference every fall too didn't

763
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:22,320
you

764
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:23,200
yeah

765
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:26,880
well you were isn't that where i first

766
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,279
met you mj i think we helped you promote

767
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:31,200
it a few times i didn't make it down we

768
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:32,880
were trying to get down but we every

769
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,640
every year we would kind of connect i

770
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:36,399
think you had it in october normally was

771
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:41,830
yeah we had some pretty famous people

772
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:44,320
showing oh yeah oh yeah you did oh yeah

773
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,519
you know stanton friedman and daryl sims

774
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,760
um old guys

775
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:51,840
you name it i think that they were all

776
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:54,559
there at one point of time or another

777
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,120
so so what is the cafe now is it is did

778
00:32:03,110 --> 00:31:59,600
it turn into some other business

779
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,120
but it's still sitting there vacant oh

780
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:05,039
okay okay

781
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,360
so so burlington also has you know

782
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:09,760
another thing i can add to uh when i was

783
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:12,559
a state director of mufon for wisconsin

784
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:14,880
that area that belt line between madison

785
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,240
and milwaukee

786
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:18,559
majority of the reports on the database

787
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,720
all the time and i know you guys seen

788
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,159
lights in the sky all the time in

789
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:27,430
all the time i used to call it a

790
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:30,799
galactic uh airport because we wouldn't

791
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:34,000
just see one type of ufo but it was all

792
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:36,000
different types disc

793
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:38,799
motherships um

794
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,039
light ships um

795
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:42,960
triangles

796
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:48,789
and i mean close encounters

797
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:52,640
and uh we were lucky enough that uh the

798
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:54,799
sheriff's department was actually

799
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:57,919
you know quietly the deputies were

800
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,200
sharing stories you know of their ufo

801
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,600
sightings with us as well

802
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:05,360
so i mean

803
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:08,399
we've put it we've videoed ufos right

804
00:33:14,029 --> 00:33:11,600
over the sci-fi cafe line i've seen them

805
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:14,039
yeah it i think it was

806
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,000
2001 or 2002. i think it was 2001.

807
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:20,720
we had them come in i bet for almost

808
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,320
eight months

809
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:25,120
every night they'd usually show up about

810
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,159
um

811
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:28,080
nine o'clock at night

812
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:29,919
stick around until about three four

813
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:33,120
o'clock in the morning then take off

814
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:36,640
yeah and so we got incredible shots it

815
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,360
got to the point though that i never

816
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:41,039
thought they were ever going to leave so

817
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:43,200
after about five months of shooting i

818
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:45,200
just kind of like oh well i know where

819
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:46,960
they're at

820
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:49,760
and i quit shooting you know so and then

821
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,159
after a couple months they were left and

822
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:54,480
i thought well darn it if i'd known that

823
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:56,159
i would have kept shooting

824
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:57,840
but we've had

825
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:01,440
one time at one of our ufo conferences

826
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:04,480
we had the milwaukee magazine you know

827
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,039
that's a big magazine you know that

828
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:09,440
four-colored magazine

829
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:12,560
anyhow they came up to uh do a story a

830
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:15,679
halloween story on our tour for the

831
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:17,119
conference

832
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:20,399
and we got up into the woods and we had

833
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:24,159
one heck of a huge ufo sighting one came

834
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:25,040
in

835
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:28,399
and it was just um

836
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,159
maybe if you took a

837
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:32,560
large tree then put another large tree

838
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:36,079
on top of that as well how high up it

839
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:37,119
was

840
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,359
and the ufo came in

841
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:45,839
hovered right over everybody and people

842
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:48,560
were so i mean so excited they were

843
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:52,240
praising god and praising the ufos and

844
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,399
that people were down on their knees

845
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:56,240
praying and

846
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:58,960
the milwaukee magazine was there and

847
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:01,280
they were like standing there in shock

848
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:04,480
and taking pictures and videos and that

849
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,240
the guy was a he was not a ufo believer

850
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:10,320
but after that night he actually wrote a

851
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:12,880
book on ufos

852
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:14,960
turned him into a believer and then that

853
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:18,640
one would disappear into this portal

854
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,800
or a wormhole

855
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:22,560
and then another one would come from the

856
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:25,280
horizon real fast get right over top of

857
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:26,240
us

858
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:28,079
and then

859
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:30,800
it went over and it threw and went

860
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,040
through that wormhole and disappeared

861
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:35,839
and the reason i know it was a wormhole

862
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:38,480
is because i got two different people

863
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:41,440
that photograph these ufos and you can

864
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:44,320
see that that wormhole just as pretty as

865
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:45,520
can be

866
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,119
oh wow yeah amazing hey america yeah

867
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,760
we've been we've had so our conferences

868
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,520
actually became what would you say

869
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:55,040
intergalactic

870
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:57,440
yes

871
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:00,640
galactic conferences

872
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:02,400
even the aliens showed up for my

873
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:04,480
conferences mary do you think that's the

874
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:05,760
reason why they were coming there is

875
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:07,359
because of the portal i mean that was

876
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:08,560
the

877
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:10,640
you know entrance and exit

878
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,400
oh i'm sure that i'm sure that uh it was

879
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,320
because of the portals that we have in

880
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:18,640
burlington that we've got a bunch of you

881
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:19,359
know

882
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:22,160
there there's one big portal and it's

883
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:24,160
huge they call it the rain we call it

884
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,040
the rainbow vortex because it's uh

885
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:29,520
it actually extends almost to milwaukee

886
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:31,920
it's so huge but we got the

887
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,359
portals was inside that vortex

888
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:37,440
and things are coming in and out of

889
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:40,160
there all the time

890
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:43,040
and we get pulled into them as well

891
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:45,440
and taken you know taken into different

892
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:46,720
dimensions

893
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:49,280
and that's what my tours are all about

894
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,960
is i take people up to these portals

895
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:54,400
and um

896
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:55,760
okay marilyn

897
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:56,560
um

898
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,720
i take people up into those portals and

899
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:01,040
let them experience shifting out of

900
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:02,320
their bodies

901
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,800
into these other dimensions and and i

902
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:06,640
had the ability with my camera to

903
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:09,839
actually photograph them

904
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:12,640
in 3d

905
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,200
plus the in in the dimension that

906
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,710
one of the few people that can do that

907
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,480
i've seen a lot of photography from the

908
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:24,720
woods too you've uh you've shown me and

909
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:26,800
i've seen it your post it's you've

910
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,119
you've taken some pretty crazy pictures

911
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:30,880
that i mean showing showing what's going

912
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:31,760
on

913
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,280
yeah

914
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,760
and people a lot of people claim that

915
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:37,760
those bigfoot don't cloak themselves

916
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:39,920
well we've got pictures of them cloaking

917
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:41,839
themselves so

918
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:42,800
you know

919
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:46,560
i'm so i mean to me if you can get it on

920
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:48,640
pitch because when they cloak themselves

921
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:52,640
it's kind of like a smoky form

922
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:55,119
that you can't the people can't see but

923
00:38:01,990 --> 00:37:58,560
they show that smoky form shows up

924
00:38:02,829 --> 00:38:02,000
in the camera or you know in the picture

925
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:02,839
a

926
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,880
wormhole um

927
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:06,800
you got some people in chat room asking

928
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:08,880
what a wormhole is

929
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,680
well

930
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:11,200
wormholes

931
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:13,040
this is where you get actually get this

932
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:16,240
is a nice lead into burlington

933
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,680
there's

934
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,119
we the

935
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:22,000
people themselves we have blood running

936
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:23,839
through our veins

937
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:26,960
mother earth has ele energy running

938
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:29,119
through her veins electricity running

939
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:30,960
through her veins

940
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,240
and now with us we got our little veins

941
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:36,240
and then we got the big veins you know

942
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,480
they go into the heart map

943
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:40,560
and so does mother

944
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:42,079
so

945
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,320
where you get the little veins you don't

946
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,079
have too much activity going on the

947
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:50,240
lauren you got those big veins and they

948
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:51,760
cross over

949
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:54,240
it's almost like if you took two battery

950
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:55,839
cables that were hooked up to two

951
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:58,400
separate cars and you take those battery

952
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,240
cables and you touch them you know that

953
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:02,240
huge spark

954
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:05,200
um that

955
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:06,480
and now

956
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:10,880
magnify that like a a billion times over

957
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,000
as to the energy of mother earth you

958
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:16,640
know and those two of her large veins

959
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:19,359
coming together and creating that big

960
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:20,400
flash

961
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:23,520
and it's constantly going on

962
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:26,880
and so what that does is it tears

963
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:29,200
it it it it

964
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:31,280
creates the tear in the fabric of

965
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:34,560
reality as we know it

966
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:37,119
that's how stan friedman

967
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:39,040
said it to me so i'm explaining it to

968
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:40,079
you

969
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:41,200
but

970
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:44,560
this tears into the reality of how do i

971
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,800
say that it creates a tear in the

972
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:48,960
reality that we know

973
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:50,320
and so

974
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:54,800
so anyhow this creates these doorways

975
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:58,560
all right and these doorways open up

976
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:02,000
uh into other dimensions and if and the

977
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:05,599
doorways are a form of a wormhole

978
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:06,400
now

979
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:08,880
we can't map them because we can't get

980
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,680
well

981
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,520
scientists can't map them because they

982
00:40:14,310 --> 00:40:13,440
can't they haven't figured out quite how

983
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:14,320
to

984
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:19,440
these wormholes and map out these

985
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:21,040
dimensions

986
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:22,000
but

987
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:25,839
you could people can do it etherically

988
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:28,800
science just can't do it with nuts and

989
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:31,599
bolts but it can be done you know using

990
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:34,240
your own energy to travel

991
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:37,200
but so like like et and that has a

992
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:38,560
higher

993
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:41,599
technology than us so they've been able

994
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:43,359
to map out

995
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:46,400
all these different wormholes and where

996
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:48,640
they what they lead to

997
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:51,760
and so what happens is they know that

998
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:54,720
there's this huge portal or wormhole

999
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:57,760
in burlington and they you know so they

1000
00:41:02,069 --> 00:40:59,760
say ah well let's go to burlington and

1001
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:02,079
check out see what mary's up to

1002
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,640
so they just kind of go into that

1003
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,800
wormhole put

1004
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:08,800
pointed in the right direction and out

1005
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:11,599
they pop you know yeah visitors oh yeah

1006
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:13,599
visiting coming through that area i'm

1007
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:15,599
simplifying it but

1008
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:17,839
basically you know i think most people

1009
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:20,960
would prefer a simplified answer

1010
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:21,839
you know

1011
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,640
too many people try to get too technical

1012
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:26,960
i know when they get too technical with

1013
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:29,200
me i was just kind of like can can you

1014
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:32,800
say it in 10 words or less please

1015
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:36,000
so these wormholes would be uh

1016
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,440
they're they're not

1017
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:39,599
made by e.t they're not artificially

1018
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:41,680
they're naturally occurring is that what

1019
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:42,720
i'm getting

1020
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,240
the ancient toltecs were actually they

1021
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,119
actually had the knowledge see we we

1022
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:50,880
could do it

1023
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,440
if we still had that knowledge but our

1024
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:55,520
knowledge has been lost on how it's been

1025
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:56,640
done

1026
00:42:02,390 --> 00:41:59,280
but the ancient toltecs

1027
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,400
the precursors of the these were the

1028
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,560
the mound builders the people the

1029
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,000
ancient race

1030
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:07,839
in burlington

1031
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,480
they uh and the the who the indians

1032
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,560
called the hokka dash but they were

1033
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:14,560
actually toltec

1034
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:18,319
and they still had the knowledge of how

1035
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,440
to create these portals

1036
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:23,040
and

1037
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:27,680
is because brad was up in the woods

1038
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:29,680
mushroom hunting one time

1039
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:33,440
and he took a picture down the lane and

1040
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:35,119
when he came back

1041
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,079
that picture he showed me up his camera

1042
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:39,839
and i'm looking through it and you've

1043
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:42,400
seen this huge

1044
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:46,160
egg like um

1045
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:47,839
energy form

1046
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,319
like right in the middle i mean i mean

1047
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:53,520
it was huge it was like oh i don't know

1048
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:57,280
oh probably about 15 foot high maybe 12

1049
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:58,960
foot wide

1050
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:01,599
but so it would and it looked like it

1051
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:03,920
you know in the form of an egg

1052
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,200
and but the strange part about it was it

1053
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,079
actually had a face on it

1054
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,400
i mean just as clear as it could be

1055
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:14,880
and brad's got the picture

1056
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:16,319
and so

1057
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:18,400
anyhow i started checking it out and

1058
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,319
found out what they're called is

1059
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:22,880
signature face portals

1060
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:25,680
the toltecs had the ability to create

1061
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:27,599
these type of portals where they could

1062
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:30,079
be able to time travel

1063
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,520
and go into the various dimensions

1064
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:35,280
and uh wouldn't you know somebody's

1065
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:38,400
trying to call me oh hold on just let me

1066
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:39,680
get rid of them

1067
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:40,400
so

1068
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:42,880
anyhow going back to the story

1069
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:45,599
what but these were personal portals

1070
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,640
designed for their own vibration so what

1071
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:50,800
they would do is they would do an imp

1072
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:54,800
take and do an uh an energy

1073
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:57,280
imprint of their face

1074
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,960
and imprinted onto the onto the the

1075
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:03,040
doorway of the portal

1076
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:06,480
so as the other wizards or shamans came

1077
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:09,359
along they would recognize who that

1078
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:12,400
belonged to and stay away from it

1079
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,520
and i thought that i was the only one

1080
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,520
that ever had a picture of one of these

1081
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,920
signature-faced portals until somebody

1082
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:21,359
came in

1083
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:23,920
and i was bragging to them about and

1084
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,880
they say so well uh there's a a monk in

1085
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:28,079
tibet

1086
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:29,839
in the monastery

1087
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:30,640
that

1088
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,880
has the same picture as you do but with

1089
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:34,640
a different face

1090
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:37,040
so the only the one i know of besides

1091
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:38,960
myself that has one of these pictures

1092
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,920
there's a a monk in tibet living in the

1093
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:43,680
monastery

1094
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:47,280
oh wow but that is a portal

1095
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:50,800
and so yeah we do have we did have the

1096
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:53,839
capability of making these portals and

1097
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:56,880
the knowledge has pretty much been lost

1098
00:45:02,230 --> 00:44:59,119
but the knowledge is coming back now

1099
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:02,240
myself i can create a portal

1100
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:04,880
uh i've done it

1101
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:06,960
several different times

1102
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:09,760
actually the haunted cellar the scifi

1103
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:11,040
cafe

1104
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:14,000
i actually created a portal down in the

1105
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:15,440
basement

1106
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,400
because i cheated because

1107
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:20,480
it was getting too cold to go out in the

1108
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:23,119
woods and see all this fantastic stuff

1109
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:24,400
right

1110
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,119
and so i decided well since we got

1111
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:29,280
everybody coming to the sci-fi cafe and

1112
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:31,520
everybody's going down into the haunted

1113
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:32,960
cellar

1114
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:35,440
why don't i just create a portal

1115
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:37,760
so that these entities can come in and

1116
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:39,040
out

1117
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:40,480
which they did

1118
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:43,440
and it worked perfectly and as far as i

1119
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:44,960
know the portal still there today i

1120
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:47,040
didn't close it up

1121
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,520
yikes

1122
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:51,520
it's not that difficult to do it once

1123
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:54,640
you learn how okay

1124
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:56,960
by going into these portals mary you you

1125
00:46:03,109 --> 00:45:59,359
can come back i mean it's not a one-way

1126
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:03,119
ticket is it obviously not right

1127
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:04,400
it could be

1128
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:07,119
yes it could easily be a one-way ticket

1129
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:09,200
that is why

1130
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:10,720
people

1131
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:15,680
knowledge of how to use them

1132
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:18,400
and we don't really share too much of

1133
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:20,000
that knowledge of how to make them

1134
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,640
because of the fact that you know

1135
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,640
if they mess up they ain't coming back

1136
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,640
home well and the reason and the reason

1137
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,400
why i ask that i mean you know using the

1138
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:30,319
example hey i'm out mushroom hunting and

1139
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:33,119
i do do that and and i stumble into one

1140
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,400
of these portals and i don't know what

1141
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:36,319
the hell i'm doing that means you know

1142
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,319
i'm i'm one of these missing persons

1143
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:40,640
right i mean this is where your story

1144
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,839
comes of the missing 411

1145
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:45,920
because there's a lot of those people

1146
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,400
that are going up into these areas and

1147
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:50,240
they step in those portals and they're

1148
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:51,520
gone

1149
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,640
uh and what dimension they land in is

1150
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:56,880
anybody's guess

1151
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:00,400
a shaman friend told me though and uh

1152
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,560
and this is how i've always this is what

1153
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:05,520
i've always done with my people

1154
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:08,240
i tell them to follow me stay you know

1155
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:10,560
don't go off wandering always stay with

1156
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:13,599
me and stay tight

1157
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:14,800
and

1158
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:15,599
now

1159
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:19,280
if you go into a portal

1160
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,000
you

1161
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,160
always make sure because some of those

1162
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:24,720
are like alternate realities and they're

1163
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:27,520
they're they look exactly like where you

1164
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:28,800
are maybe

1165
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,440
maybe there's one in our world there's

1166
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:33,599
one tree and in their world there's two

1167
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:37,040
trees you know just very very slight

1168
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:39,359
you know differences that you wouldn't

1169
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:41,760
even notice

1170
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,079
and so this shaman friend of mine says

1171
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:46,720
whatever whenever you go into a place

1172
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:48,800
you always make sure that when you come

1173
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,160
out you come out the exact same way oh

1174
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,319
makes sense and so because that we've

1175
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:56,720
never had any problems but i always have

1176
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:58,720
him on call

1177
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:01,359
in case something like that happens

1178
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,079
because he has the ability to go into

1179
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:06,720
these type of portals

1180
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:10,240
and find people that are missing

1181
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:12,160
oh wow

1182
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:15,040
i mean i got very lucky in finding him

1183
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:18,160
but he know he knows what he's doing um

1184
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:21,920
he he lives in uh new mexico but he's

1185
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:24,480
only a phone call away so right right

1186
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:27,359
and and these portals uh can appear all

1187
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:29,040
over the planet right i mean they're not

1188
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:31,040
just they're all over the planet

1189
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:31,760
they're

1190
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:33,680
you know if you

1191
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:35,839
like a vortex if you wanted to know what

1192
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,400
a vortex look like you know these um you

1193
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,640
know these uh in water you'll see those

1194
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:42,480
little swirls

1195
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:43,839
in the water

1196
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:46,960
you know those little round swirls

1197
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:49,040
that's what a vortex looks like if you

1198
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:50,480
could see it

1199
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,359
okay and they can be very small or they

1200
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:55,680
can be very big

1201
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:58,559
and they they only appear in these

1202
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,359
sacred site areas i mean they're not

1203
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:03,440
just any place

1204
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:06,319
um if the energies have to be right

1205
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:09,040
these uh ley lines have to be crossing

1206
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:10,240
you know

1207
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:14,720
and and creating this phenomena and

1208
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:17,440
and i learned the trick of how to find

1209
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:18,800
these sacred

1210
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:21,920
um sacred uh uh sites

1211
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:25,520
um because and it was easy i cheated

1212
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:27,760
again i always cheat right

1213
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:30,880
why make things difficult so what i did

1214
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:33,040
is i learned that the

1215
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:35,920
uh the ancient ones

1216
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:38,240
knew where these certain spot these

1217
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,160
energy points were

1218
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:42,400
so they would always build their temples

1219
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:45,040
there their temples their pyramids and

1220
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:46,640
things like that they

1221
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:49,440
not only did they use them that you use

1222
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:52,160
them to live in and do ceremony in but

1223
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:54,559
they use them as marker points to show

1224
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:55,760
where these

1225
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:58,800
these uh places of power were

1226
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:01,200
so then when the europeans came along

1227
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:04,400
they destroyed most of of these temples

1228
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:08,559
and that but they built churches on them

1229
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:09,839
and

1230
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:12,880
you know in national parks would come

1231
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:15,119
along they would

1232
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:16,640
they would put

1233
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:18,880
these uh they would claim the land for

1234
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:21,040
the government put up you know and have

1235
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:24,240
them set up as national parks or they'll

1236
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:27,520
take like um

1237
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:30,079
government buildings and set on top of

1238
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:31,839
them

1239
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:32,880
so

1240
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:37,359
i look for things that look like a hill

1241
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,800
i look for

1242
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:41,280
churches which catholic churches are

1243
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:43,599
great for putting their

1244
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:45,920
putting their cathedrals and that on

1245
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:49,119
these um power points

1246
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:51,440
so that's how i do it but then also i

1247
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:54,160
can feel it you know i i'm good enough

1248
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:56,720
well i've been doing it for so long i

1249
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:59,359
can be walking along and i can just

1250
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:01,760
automatically feel the change in the

1251
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:02,960
energy

1252
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:06,800
so oh wow and burlington well hey

1253
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:08,559
marilyn why do you think the catholic

1254
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:09,680
church i mean

1255
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:12,720
did because they knew the secret ah okay

1256
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,000
okay sure sure okay

1257
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:18,800
and so i i it it's probably safe to say

1258
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:20,720
that they still know the secret they

1259
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:22,480
still do

1260
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:23,920
interesting

1261
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:26,400
so like holy hill

1262
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:28,640
there's a reason that great big old

1263
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:32,240
cathedral is sitting on top of that hill

1264
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:34,319
and you've had a lot of bigfoot

1265
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:36,160
sightings and dogman sightings around

1266
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:38,559
that area because wherever you have

1267
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:42,720
these power points like that you'll find

1268
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:47,280
the these weird things like bigfoot and

1269
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:51,520
dogman and bear man and mothman and you

1270
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:52,880
know go

1271
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:55,520
there and they're always haunted

1272
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,800
um and you have a

1273
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:00,559
missing time

1274
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,240
um

1275
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:04,480
strange lights uh

1276
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:13,190
well mary let's let's take our last

1277
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,200
break and when we come back with mary

1278
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:17,280
sutherland we're gonna talk about

1279
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:20,319
the history of burlington and

1280
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:23,280
the issue that has been created by

1281
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:26,000
by nature but with with man

1282
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:27,440
not doing some cool things but we'll be

1283
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:32,870
welcome back to pang radio tonight we

1284
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:35,599
have on our friend and author researcher

1285
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:38,240
mary sutherland we're talking about some

1286
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:40,400
pretty neat stuff portals bigfoot dog

1287
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:41,359
man

1288
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:44,160
ufos uh and we're gonna get into another

1289
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:45,680
another another thing tonight so

1290
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:47,760
burlington is known for its ufo as the

1291
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:50,160
you know the former sci-fi cafe but it's

1292
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:52,400
also got a lot of ancient

1293
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:54,640
burial mounds around the area too mary

1294
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:57,359
is that is that correct

1295
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,280
say that one more time please you guys

1296
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:01,200
you could have a lot of a lot of ancient

1297
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:03,040
burial mounds around burlington too

1298
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:04,640
correct

1299
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,390
did we lose her

1300
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:14,150
yeah i haven't got her yeah we might

1301
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:16,160
have lost mary there one second hey

1302
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:21,589
we got you back we got you back go ahead

1303
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:23,599
i can i can edit everything so nothing

1304
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:24,960
ever happened

1305
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:26,319
for a minute there i thought you stepped

1306
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:28,800
into a portal

1307
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:30,880
well it's okay by me i'm just letting

1308
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:33,520
your listeners know it's a wisconsinite

1309
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:34,800
slang

1310
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:36,319
but yeah

1311
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:39,280
brad and i were sitting out on the deck

1312
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:43,440
tonight and trying to create like a a

1313
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:45,280
map in our mind

1314
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:48,559
of all the things that we've worked on

1315
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:50,640
we've discovered

1316
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:55,920
uh such as pyramids temples a serp a

1317
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:57,520
serpent ridge

1318
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:00,480
which is a it's bigger than the serpent

1319
00:54:05,110 --> 00:54:03,920
mounds of ohio or you know the yeah the

1320
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:05,120
ohio serpent mounds

1321
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:07,760
[Music]

1322
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:10,960
discoveries of uh

1323
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:15,520
skeletal remains reported documented

1324
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:18,480
and when and so we're trying to create

1325
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:21,440
this map of where we found them what the

1326
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:24,960
stories that we had heard about them

1327
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:27,920
and various maps are the maps that we

1328
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:29,200
found

1329
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:31,680
and came to the conclusion that

1330
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:35,440
burlington at one time it had to be it

1331
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:37,359
had to be

1332
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,880
an ancient city

1333
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:42,480
of at least

1334
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,470
wow it's huge

1335
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,390
that's los angeles

1336
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:54,400
yeah

1337
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:56,880
because i'm talking radius north south

1338
00:55:00,910 --> 00:54:59,920
east west based on findings that we've

1339
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:00,920
found

1340
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:03,359
documentations of what other people have

1341
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:06,960
found mounds everything because if

1342
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:09,680
they're not spaced you know like a mile

1343
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:11,680
from one place is another spot that they

1344
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,079
found something it's like

1345
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:16,720
it's all runs together

1346
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:19,359
from like the haunted woods dead man's

1347
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:21,359
hill to the

1348
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:24,079
flat test the flat top step pyramids or

1349
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:25,680
zougarat

1350
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:29,920
all the way up to the panther mounds

1351
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:32,480
outside of burlington

1352
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:35,680
and all in between they have discovered

1353
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:39,680
skeletal remains and mounds

1354
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:43,119
so that's as big as cahokia if not

1355
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:44,400
bigger

1356
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:47,200
and we know that there was a documentary

1357
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,920
done on television one time

1358
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:51,359
because

1359
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:53,680
people couldn't find any dinosaur bones

1360
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:55,920
in chicago they couldn't figure this out

1361
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:57,280
right

1362
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:58,960
to find and

1363
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:01,359
so this documentary

1364
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:04,880
they created this map going back to that

1365
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:07,760
time period to see that the water was

1366
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,400
much higher during that the during the

1367
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:12,480
time of the dinosaur

1368
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:13,839
and so

1369
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:16,480
chicago was covered by water

1370
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:19,599
and guess who had the seaport

1371
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:22,240
the coastline ran right up to burlington

1372
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:23,200
ah

1373
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:26,720
makes sense so this was a major seaport

1374
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:28,000
wow

1375
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:34,630
and we know

1376
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:37,200
we know for sure it had been at least

1377
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:45,510
and the thing is nobody

1378
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:48,640
knows anything about burlington

1379
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,549
they refuse to talk about when i first

1380
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:00,480
came to burlington you know because i

1381
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:03,040
was a researcher of the stuff way before

1382
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:06,880
burlington in arizona so i recognized a

1383
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:09,599
lot of these mounds for what they were i

1384
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:12,240
went to all these different places the

1385
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:14,240
historical society the chamber of

1386
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:17,520
commerce to the police to the library i

1387
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:19,680
says tell me about your mouth we don't

1388
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:25,030
we don't even have we don't even i i

1389
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:27,280
fought for years with the chamber of

1390
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,079
commerce just to put on their front page

1391
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:32,880
that there was indians in this area

1392
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:35,760
when i first came here they even refused

1393
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:39,520
to acknowledge that the indians lived

1394
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:42,799
uh in the where burlington sits right

1395
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:44,720
now wow

1396
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,079
you know maryland i think uh the

1397
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:49,200
smithsonian institute has a bunch of

1398
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:50,960
data that they that they've got

1399
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:54,240
squirreled away in a basement

1400
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:56,559
concerning you said cahokia i've been to

1401
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:58,880
cahokia illinois and there there's

1402
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:01,920
documentation that they found large i

1403
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:04,480
mean skeleton remains of seven to eight

1404
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:05,680
foot

1405
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:08,720
people or creatures and the smithsonian

1406
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:10,960
put a clamp on it

1407
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:14,000
yes but guess what i found straight from

1408
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:15,920
the smithsonian

1409
00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:19,200
i have maps that they did up

1410
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:21,760
in the eight i think was the 1800s maybe

1411
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:24,319
it was early 1900s

1412
00:58:30,549 --> 00:58:25,760
they had

1413
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:30,559
uh lampum uh go out and um document all

1414
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:32,960
these mounds for them

1415
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:37,280
and i found the maps of the smithsonian

1416
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:40,079
showing these ancient mounds

1417
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:40,880
uh

1418
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:43,760
with with the with the title burlington

1419
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:46,000
wisconsin written right on it showing

1420
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:48,880
where the the river was how the mounds

1421
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:51,520
were all laid out every

1422
00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:54,319
so these people you know they'll tell me

1423
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:56,240
well you don't have any proof that these

1424
00:59:02,549 --> 00:58:59,520
ancient people live here i says

1425
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:02,559
i think the smithsonian my map that i

1426
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:06,799
have from the smithsonian is proof of it

1427
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:09,599
oh yeah yeah that makes sense

1428
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:13,200
and i have it right on my website um

1429
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:15,920
oh gosh about eight years back

1430
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:18,799
right where these mounds were alongside

1431
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:25,190
the town decided to beautify

1432
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:29,040
their town and create a riverwalk

1433
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:32,240
and they started knocking down they came

1434
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:33,760
in with a bulldozer and they started

1435
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:37,359
knocking down all these these mounds

1436
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:39,920
and i tried to stop them

1437
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:43,119
i begged them not to and um

1438
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:46,480
and so anyhow they did it anyhow i

1439
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:48,799
contacted the indians on it too because

1440
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:50,720
i thought well i can get support from

1441
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,559
them and they've refused to help me

1442
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:54,240
saying that um

1443
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:56,880
uh since the mounds weren't on the

1444
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,960
indian reservation they couldn't help me

1445
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:00,480
at all

1446
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,160
and then i contacted the state

1447
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:04,400
archaeological department in madison and

1448
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:06,240
tried to stop it that way and they says

1449
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:07,599
oh no we

1450
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:09,920
there's no evidence whatsoever that the

1451
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:11,760
mound builders

1452
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:14,640
was in burlington area nice i have

1453
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:17,200
documentation and i have maps to prove

1454
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:17,839
it

1455
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:22,640
head of the department down in madison

1456
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:24,720
she's well send them to me and we'll get

1457
01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:28,079
back to you on it so i spent a day or so

1458
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:30,319
putting all of this documentation

1459
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:32,400
together and i sent it to her and never

1460
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:34,720
heard back from her one time

1461
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,240
so you know

1462
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:38,559
the only thing i could do at that time

1463
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:40,240
because people really didn't know me

1464
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:42,880
that well and you know i wasn't you know

1465
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:45,599
known for my research as i am

1466
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:46,720
today

1467
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:48,000
so

1468
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:53,280
watch this happen

1469
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:56,559
but i did go down prior to the

1470
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:58,400
destruction

1471
01:01:03,470 --> 01:01:00,799
and i took pictures of these mounds and

1472
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:03,480
i took pictures of the you know the

1473
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:06,960
bulldozers and all that you know and

1474
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:09,440
and then i took pictures of the finished

1475
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:12,400
product because i wanted at least if

1476
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:14,880
nothing else is to have photo

1477
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:16,799
documentation

1478
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:19,920
of these ancient mounds that were in

1479
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:22,640
burlington or some of them

1480
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:24,400
and um

1481
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:28,240
and so anyhow we do have that

1482
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:32,640
uh and now they're doing it again

1483
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:33,680
and

1484
01:01:39,630 --> 01:01:37,119
this is why i was on heidi hollis show

1485
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:39,640
when was that friday night

1486
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:40,880
[Music]

1487
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:43,839
and so you asked me beyond the show

1488
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:46,319
and inform people

1489
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:48,640
that this is going on again in

1490
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:50,400
burlington

1491
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:53,280
i found out well

1492
01:01:59,030 --> 01:01:54,960
this um

1493
01:02:02,230 --> 01:01:59,040
there was a newspaper and

1494
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:02,240
if people join my group my face the

1495
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:04,480
easiest way to do this is if you go to

1496
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:06,559
my group my facebook

1497
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:08,880
group which i will put in

1498
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:12,400
i'll put the url in your in your um chat

1499
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:13,440
room

1500
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:17,920
and join that uh then people can see

1501
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:20,799
uh the newspaper

1502
01:02:26,870 --> 01:02:24,960
and they can see the laws protecting

1503
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:26,880
these mounds

1504
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:30,000
they can see what i'm doing and what i

1505
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:33,599
am going to be doing and we're going to

1506
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:36,240
try to get this stopped

1507
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:40,160
even if i have to go to the point

1508
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:41,200
of

1509
01:02:48,549 --> 01:02:46,000
that they put that aquatic center in

1510
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:48,559
if i have to i'll

1511
01:02:53,510 --> 01:02:50,720
try to get it tore up

1512
01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:53,520
and get those skeletal remains out of

1513
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:55,599
there and give them the proper burial

1514
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:57,920
right but i'm kind of jumping ahead of

1515
01:03:02,870 --> 01:02:59,599
myself because people are saying what

1516
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:02,880
are you talking about uh so what it had

1517
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:05,119
just recently happened

1518
01:03:08,710 --> 01:03:06,319
is we

1519
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:08,720
there was some construction work being

1520
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:11,280
done on this side street in burlington

1521
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:12,960
they were putting in they were redoing

1522
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:14,400
the road there

1523
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:16,240
so they had it pretty well dug up and

1524
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:18,240
they were going to be working on sewers

1525
01:03:24,069 --> 01:03:20,640
and things like that right there

1526
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:24,079
so then we had that 500 year flood

1527
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:26,240
which i told brad then i says hey you

1528
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:27,280
know what

1529
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:31,200
you watch because as as hard as that

1530
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:34,240
flood is flowing through here isis

1531
01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:37,280
there's going to be artifacts popping up

1532
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:40,559
and so sure enough when the rains were

1533
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:43,599
done and things the construction crew

1534
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:46,079
was ready to go back to work

1535
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:49,520
they're floating on on that street had

1536
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:53,680
was all these skeletal remains

1537
01:04:00,390 --> 01:03:54,960
so

1538
01:04:02,630 --> 01:04:00,400
had to contact the historical the state

1539
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:02,640
historical society

1540
01:04:08,069 --> 01:04:04,799
now the state has to according to law

1541
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:08,079
the state historical society has 30 days

1542
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:10,000
to determine

1543
01:04:14,470 --> 01:04:12,880
to be able to go in there

1544
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:14,480
you study

1545
01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:15,680
collect

1546
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:16,640
you know

1547
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:17,920
research

1548
01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:20,799
and then determine if it's

1549
01:04:25,109 --> 01:04:22,880
a sacred site or not

1550
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:25,119
and if they determine it that is

1551
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:27,760
historical or prehistorical

1552
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:30,000
they can shut it down

1553
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:32,000
and protect it

1554
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:32,799
so

1555
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:36,000
they went in there

1556
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:39,119
and they were only given

1557
01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:42,000
to normally give them 10 days

1558
01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:43,039
to

1559
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:44,240
be there

1560
01:04:50,069 --> 01:04:46,559
and then after 10 days they told them

1561
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:50,079
that they had to leave and not come back

1562
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:52,720
who runs this stuff wow some reason

1563
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:55,280
instead of having the archaeological

1564
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:58,160
department have any guts

1565
01:05:01,750 --> 01:04:59,920
they left

1566
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:01,760
and just signed the papers giving them

1567
01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:04,160
okay to continue yeah

1568
01:05:11,670 --> 01:05:07,200
even though in the newspaper

1569
01:05:15,470 --> 01:05:11,680
they it was written and quoted by the

1570
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:15,480
state historical society and the uh the

1571
01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:18,640
administrator of burlington that these

1572
01:05:21,870 --> 01:05:19,680
were

1573
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:21,880
not native american but

1574
01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:25,839
prehistoric skeletal remains wow

1575
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:28,960
that that gives me my proof that i

1576
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:30,960
needed to show

1577
01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:35,359
that burlington is sitting on an ancient

1578
01:05:39,750 --> 01:05:38,960
city you know of these mound builders

1579
01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:39,760
so

1580
01:05:46,069 --> 01:05:45,119
remains just sitting there

1581
01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:46,079
you know

1582
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:47,119
and

1583
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:52,480
because the the

1584
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:56,319
city was also putting together um

1585
01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:00,160
uh uh aquatic center in town

1586
01:06:06,309 --> 01:06:02,400
so to save money and i think it was like

1587
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:06,319
it was either 65 000 90 some thousand

1588
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:07,359
dollars

1589
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:08,160
for

1590
01:06:16,829 --> 01:06:14,000
foundation of the aquatic center

1591
01:06:19,589 --> 01:06:16,839
they just they came up this brilliant

1592
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:19,599
idea that what they were going to do is

1593
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:22,480
just scoop up all these uh

1594
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:26,240
prehistoric bones skeletal remains

1595
01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:29,440
and use them as fill

1596
01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:31,920
to put in the foundation for their

1597
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:34,559
aquatic center

1598
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:37,520
not only is that illegal but it's

1599
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:39,039
disrespectful

1600
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:43,440
of our ancestors and besides that

1601
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:46,640
this if this was done properly this

1602
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:49,440
could be the greatest discovery

1603
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:52,640
in in in modern times

1604
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:53,760
of

1605
01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:57,280
uh an ancient site in north america

1606
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:00,160
right i mean this this should be told i

1607
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:03,839
mean instead of them covering it up

1608
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:06,559
like for example serpent mounds they

1609
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:09,760
make a million dollars at least

1610
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:13,359
a year of tourism coming into to just be

1611
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:15,280
on that site where that the serpent

1612
01:07:19,029 --> 01:07:16,400
mound is

1613
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:19,039
now imagine if you had a prehistoric

1614
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:20,319
city

1615
01:07:25,349 --> 01:07:22,720
and you were able to you allowed the

1616
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:25,359
archaeologist to come in and collect the

1617
01:07:31,109 --> 01:07:29,520
artifacts and uh and and the skeletal

1618
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:31,119
remains and

1619
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:34,079
create like a huge museum i i know that

1620
01:07:39,029 --> 01:07:36,880
we can't the city sits on the land okay

1621
01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:39,039
so we can't undo that

1622
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:41,760
but we can take what we found

1623
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:44,400
and create a huge visitor center or

1624
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:47,039
museum all right and a lot you know and

1625
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:50,000
allow people to come in and learn about

1626
01:07:55,589 --> 01:07:52,880
these ancient people and to see on

1627
01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:55,599
display all the different artifacts that

1628
01:07:59,670 --> 01:07:57,920
have been found

1629
01:08:02,390 --> 01:07:59,680
you know and

1630
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:02,400
the city i mean compare how much money

1631
01:08:07,589 --> 01:08:05,119
they're making in swimming lessons

1632
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:07,599
versus how much money if they're having

1633
01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:10,960
sex right they could be making just

1634
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:13,599
bringing allowing us to bring back the

1635
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:15,200
real history

1636
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:18,799
of um of burlington and these uh and

1637
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:20,080
these uh

1638
01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:22,000
well the indians called them the whole

1639
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:25,120
kadesh and describe them as

1640
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:28,239
white race uh red-haired giants and

1641
01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:30,880
that's why i started my book my first

1642
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:33,759
book came out as the red haired giants

1643
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:36,000
and we have more

1644
01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:39,199
because i went and um because we i had

1645
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:41,120
it for tonight but we got talking about

1646
01:08:47,829 --> 01:08:44,400
other things but i'll put it on my uh

1647
01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:47,839
i'll put it on in my facebook group so

1648
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:50,080
people can read it

1649
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:50,880
but

1650
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:54,719
there was up until 1890

1651
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:56,640
something like that

1652
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:00,239
we had a wisconsin state um

1653
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:02,799
archaeological society something like

1654
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:04,000
that

1655
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:07,040
with um

1656
01:09:12,630 --> 01:09:10,400
this uh perkins as president

1657
01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:12,640
and right up to that point of time they

1658
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:16,000
were out there and they were collecting

1659
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:20,159
all the remnants they could find of this

1660
01:09:26,229 --> 01:09:22,400
these ancient people that they called

1661
01:09:29,910 --> 01:09:26,239
the the copper race because they were

1662
01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:29,920
part of the people up there in michigan

1663
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:32,239
they were bringing the the michigan

1664
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:35,120
copper down here into burlington

1665
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:37,600
and they had boundaries set up and they

1666
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:38,799
were actually

1667
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:40,960
they they actually have proof that they

1668
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:42,640
were you casting

1669
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:45,520
copper the indians only used copper for

1670
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:46,960
decoration

1671
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:47,759
but

1672
01:09:54,630 --> 01:09:50,960
what separates the copper from michigan

1673
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:54,640
is because michigan is decorative copper

1674
01:10:00,630 --> 01:09:57,040
but here in burlington you could see it

1675
01:10:01,350 --> 01:10:00,640
was actually manufactured it was casted

1676
01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:01,360
uh

1677
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:05,120
the the utilities were casted them axes

1678
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:06,960
and screws

1679
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:10,000
nails and you know different types of

1680
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:11,280
equipment

1681
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:12,159
and

1682
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:17,760
any archaeologist including the

1683
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:20,080
smithsonian even knew

1684
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:22,320
that there was a people out there that

1685
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:23,760
was actually

1686
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:27,199
casting using furnaces for

1687
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:29,440
first melting copper

1688
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:31,280
and or

1689
01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:33,120
creating bronze

1690
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:34,800
okay

1691
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:38,480
so and this was all to the um

1692
01:10:42,709 --> 01:10:41,040
there was one man responsible for it his

1693
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:42,719
name was

1694
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:47,520
in burlington and he used to go around

1695
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:51,040
with a a horse and wagon and he would go

1696
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:53,280
to all these farms you know that plowed

1697
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:54,960
up the fields and he paid them like a

1698
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:57,360
penny or something like that for every

1699
01:11:03,430 --> 01:10:59,760
artifact that they found

1700
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:03,440
and he had thousands upon thousands of

1701
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:05,840
these these artifacts

1702
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:09,679
and uh prior to his death he uh he

1703
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:13,520
donated them to uh the smithsonian to

1704
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:16,800
the beloit college to milwaukee uh or

1705
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:19,760
not boy college but boyd museum to the

1706
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:21,199
um

1707
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:26,640
but up until that point of time the

1708
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:28,719
milwaukee all those museums they only

1709
01:11:34,149 --> 01:11:32,080
had maybe three or four pieces so nobody

1710
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:34,159
you know they were like ooples nobody

1711
01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:36,239
knew what they were for

1712
01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:38,080
or who did them so they didn't pay any

1713
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:39,679
attention to them

1714
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:40,960
until

1715
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:44,159
perkins donated all these thousands upon

1716
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:46,880
thousands of pieces and at that point in

1717
01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:50,320
time they realized that there was a

1718
01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:52,880
copper culture

1719
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:55,840
here in burlington wisconsin or in

1720
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:58,719
wisconsin up until that point of time

1721
01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:01,600
nobody even knew about this race of

1722
01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:04,640
people it was a lost race totally

1723
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:07,120
forgotten and it was through the efforts

1724
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:08,719
of one of the founding people of

1725
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:12,000
burlington that the name that they

1726
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:14,239
they regained their um

1727
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,600
uh their memory of these people

1728
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:19,440
and now

1729
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:22,719
now here it is burlington again coming

1730
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:26,960
into news as destroying all the work

1731
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:30,080
that the wisconsin state has historical

1732
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:32,880
society and perkins did

1733
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:35,120
you know to bring back all this

1734
01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:36,480
knowledge

1735
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:37,520
and

1736
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:43,280
the what this bringing back the copper

1737
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:44,800
culture

1738
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:46,080
is like

1739
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:47,760
bringing back uh

1740
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:50,800
the alps in switzerland you know or the

1741
01:12:56,709 --> 01:12:54,640
great pyramids you know of egypt

1742
01:12:58,790 --> 01:12:56,719
people from around the world tourists

1743
01:13:01,750 --> 01:12:58,800
from all around the world would come to

1744
01:13:03,590 --> 01:13:01,760
north america just to see and learn

1745
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:03,600
about this ancient race that north

1746
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:05,520
america had

1747
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:06,480
and

1748
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:11,280
1890s something like that that they they

1749
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:13,280
were even going to build these huge

1750
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:16,159
museums storage areas that they could

1751
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:18,400
keep all this material or all these

1752
01:13:22,149 --> 01:13:19,920
artifacts in

1753
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:22,159
and information about this race

1754
01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:24,560
smithsonian tried contacting them and

1755
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:27,679
asking them to take give it all to them

1756
01:13:30,830 --> 01:13:29,600
and they refused because they wanted

1757
01:13:33,669 --> 01:13:30,840
this as

1758
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:33,679
wisconsin's treasure you know something

1759
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:36,480
that wisconsin could be proud of

1760
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:40,239
but something happened right after that

1761
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:41,280
in

1762
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:48,400
a little bit past 1890s

1763
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:50,800
or maybe even the first part of the

1764
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:54,719
1900s that all this information was

1765
01:14:02,790 --> 01:13:59,199
picked up gathered up and totally lost

1766
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:02,800
and now everything that is found on this

1767
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:05,040
copper culture

1768
01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:06,719
is

1769
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:13,600
and we don't know why

1770
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:17,440
but um and we even have the mormons uh

1771
01:14:21,669 --> 01:14:20,640
you know uh finding the brass plates in

1772
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:21,679
uh

1773
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:23,440
right outside of burlington that

1774
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,770
describes these same people

1775
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:27,360
[Music]

1776
01:14:33,430 --> 01:14:29,840
you know and they they referred to them

1777
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:33,440
as more of a brahmana culture

1778
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:34,400
you know

1779
01:14:41,669 --> 01:14:37,840
like like abraham from

1780
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:41,679
so i mean this is our national treasure

1781
01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:42,800
you know

1782
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:46,480
something that we alone stand to be

1783
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:48,239
proud of

1784
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:50,480
and it's uh it's being destroyed right

1785
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:52,400
in front of our very eyes i mean can you

1786
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:55,679
imagine these dump trucks coming in and

1787
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:58,000
loading up skeletons

1788
01:15:01,830 --> 01:14:59,120
and then

1789
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:01,840
dumping them as fill into a swimming

1790
01:15:11,430 --> 01:15:07,350
so this has been i learned about this

1791
01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:11,440
about four days ago and heidi hollis

1792
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:13,280
found out about it then you found and

1793
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:15,760
then you were co-hosting michelle and

1794
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:17,760
you heard about the

1795
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:20,560
dilemma yep and you've been supporting

1796
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:22,800
me on it as well as heidi and a few

1797
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:26,080
other people and i'm writing a cover

1798
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:27,840
letter right now

1799
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:30,000
and i'm going to be sending it out to

1800
01:15:34,709 --> 01:15:32,640
the press to all the media

1801
01:15:38,630 --> 01:15:34,719
i'm going to the archeology the state

1802
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:38,640
archaeological department i'm going i'm

1803
01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:39,600
you know

1804
01:15:44,950 --> 01:15:42,400
i'm not who i was the first time they

1805
01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:44,960
decided to destroy all this stuff you

1806
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:46,880
know i've got a little bit more power

1807
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:50,480
under my belt and i'm going to use my my

1808
01:15:54,149 --> 01:15:53,120
name my credibility

1809
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:54,159
and

1810
01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:57,600
whatever means possible to try

1811
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:00,560
to bring back this history and

1812
01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:03,360
and and and save it as a national

1813
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:04,480
treasure

1814
01:16:08,070 --> 01:16:06,400
you know you're you're a true warrior

1815
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:08,080
for doing that yep you're a true warrior

1816
01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:09,440
for doing that now want to tell their

1817
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:11,199
listeners the name of your facebook

1818
01:16:14,709 --> 01:16:12,640
group too they could probably put that

1819
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:14,719
in a search bar right now there you go

1820
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,480
and i'll i will put that up on our

1821
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:18,719
inception radio network facebook page

1822
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:21,600
too so look for mary's facebook group i

1823
01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:24,560
will post that right after the show

1824
01:16:29,430 --> 01:16:26,960
people ask there was a few people that

1825
01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:29,440
asked me they says well how much money

1826
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:31,360
do you need to make off this in order to

1827
01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:33,120
do this project and i said i don't want

1828
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:35,520
no money oh boy i'm not into it for the

1829
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:36,480
money

1830
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:39,600
you know and anybody that knows me knows

1831
01:16:45,669 --> 01:16:42,560
that i don't do anything for the money

1832
01:16:46,790 --> 01:16:45,679
i do it because it's right right so

1833
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:46,800
correct

1834
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:48,719
oh yeah

1835
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:51,600
they'll throw that in chat mary and uh

1836
01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:53,360
anything else going on quick we got

1837
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:55,120
about a minute and a half

1838
01:16:58,950 --> 01:16:57,280
a minute and a half minute and a half

1839
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:58,960
yep

1840
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:00,560
let's see

1841
01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:02,960
what does it the uh the guest uh in

1842
01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:04,400
chapter only has something that they

1843
01:17:07,830 --> 01:17:06,560
want to ask or

1844
01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:07,840
i think

1845
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:11,520
covered the portals pretty darn well for

1846
01:17:16,709 --> 01:17:13,840
them no no absolutely no worries how

1847
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:16,719
about this i still do the tours and i'll

1848
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:19,760
put that in as well as my link

1849
01:17:24,870 --> 01:17:22,800
i still do the tours and now instead of

1850
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:24,880
being on saturday night you schedule

1851
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:27,199
them around your time

1852
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:30,400
and then you contact me and we figure

1853
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:32,400
out how many people what date you want

1854
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:35,040
to go and then we just go with it there

1855
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:37,280
and then also i

1856
01:17:46,070 --> 01:17:38,400
i

1857
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:46,080
barnes and noble you know the local

1858
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:48,960
bookstores libraries wherever

1859
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:51,440
but the best place to go is on my

1860
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:54,719
website because on my website and you

1861
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:57,040
you bought purchase it there i sign it

1862
01:18:00,790 --> 01:17:59,360
for you perfect and

1863
01:18:03,990 --> 01:18:00,800
let them know where your website is too

1864
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:04,000
mary okay i'll do that too

1865
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:05,520
go ahead and tell our listeners too go

1866
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:06,640
ahead and go ahead and shout it out to

1867
01:18:12,070 --> 01:18:09,040
the listeners to the burlington okay

1868
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:12,080
burlington news

1869
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:15,199
okay burlingtonnews.net

1870
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:17,199
forward slash books

1871
01:18:22,709 --> 01:18:20,239
is where they can find all my books

1872
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:22,719
and i use my books to make my money to

1873
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:25,440
support what i do out here

1874
01:18:29,189 --> 01:18:26,480
and so

1875
01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:29,199
and they're good books i based on it's

1876
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:32,320
not um it's not books that you're going

1877
01:18:36,149 --> 01:18:34,400
to find this information on the internet

1878
01:18:39,430 --> 01:18:36,159
i use uh

1879
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:39,440
hard to find books and lost books you

1880
01:18:44,790 --> 01:18:42,000
know written in the 1800s and even

1881
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:44,800
before and like in local legends and

1882
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:46,960
that things that you can't find out

1883
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:49,760
there are you can find in my books

1884
01:18:53,590 --> 01:18:51,440
perfect mary

1885
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:53,600
perfect thanks for coming on in and

1886
01:18:56,950 --> 01:18:54,880
bringing this

1887
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:56,960
to uh the attention of all our listeners

1888
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:59,040
uh this worldwide which is what we

1889
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:00,800
wanted to do

1890
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:03,360
the listeners has uh yes we're going

1891
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:05,199
worldwide with this we're not going to

1892
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:08,400
back down on this and for the listeners

1893
01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:11,679
you can help i don't need money but you

1894
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:15,440
can help by having me on your shows you

1895
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:18,719
can have me uh or pass this information

1896
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:21,840
around to as many people as you can

1897
01:19:25,590 --> 01:19:23,280
because that's

1898
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:25,600
that's where it works is when we can get

1899
01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:27,760
people together you know it's the

1900
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:30,560
squeaky wheel that gets oiled and let's

1901
01:19:40,149 --> 01:19:37,270
history from us it's just way too

1902
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:40,159
important perfect perfect fascinating

1903
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:42,400
show yes thank you for for coming on

1904
01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:44,239
mary it was it was awesome and we will

1905
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:49,830
well thank you for having me on and

1906
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:52,239
thank you for supporting our ancient

1907
01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:54,640
race yes yes it's going right on the

1908
01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:55,520
face

1909
01:19:58,709 --> 01:19:57,120
as well right going right on our

1910
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:58,719
facebook page

1911
01:20:02,630 --> 01:20:00,480
you know when you do things good things

1912
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:02,640
come back to you and i'm sure that

1913
01:20:06,550 --> 01:20:04,719
you'll be rewarded for this well well

1914
01:20:08,790 --> 01:20:06,560
thank you mary and i'll be in touch in a

1915
01:20:10,149 --> 01:20:08,800
few days with you too so i'll i'll touch

1916
01:20:12,390 --> 01:20:10,159
base with you

1917
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:12,400
okay great okay looking forward to it

1918
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:13,920
yep thank you

1919
01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:16,239
thank you all you listeners for help

1920
01:20:20,709 --> 01:20:18,400
that you're going to be giving me and

1921
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:20,719
and just listening to me tonight thank

1922
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:22,560
you thank you

1923
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:24,480
fascinating show

1924
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:27,199
that was fun ken so yeah man i'll tell

1925
01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:29,280
you she's a fireball yes yes she's a

1926
01:20:34,229 --> 01:20:32,320
fireball and be sure you support mary's

1927
01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:34,239
cause to uh

1928
01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:36,719
see ancient history uh stay with us

1929
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:39,280
versus getting dumped into a uh new

1930
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:41,920
construction project so on our facebook

1931
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:43,600
page i will put mary's group on there so

1932
01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:45,600
you can follow her

1933
01:20:50,550 --> 01:20:48,960
her her plight to uh do good for uh

1934
01:20:51,750 --> 01:20:50,560
ancient civilizations that should still

1935
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:51,760
be here

1936
01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:53,520
beat the hell out of uh finding out what

1937
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:55,360
happened to the kardashians somebody in

1938
01:20:59,590 --> 01:20:57,600
chat put that up there yeah and this and

1939
01:21:01,270 --> 01:20:59,600
this was yeah and this was much more

1940
01:21:03,030 --> 01:21:01,280
much more fun than game of thrones i

1941
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:03,040
can't get into that sorry

1942
01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:05,040
yeah i mean either but yeah she that was

1943
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:06,719
good it was a good show man i enjoyed it

1944
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:08,560
very much well to be sure you catch us

1945
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:10,480
next week at 9 00 pm eastern when the

1946
01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:13,440
brain trust comes together and we

1947
01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:16,000
talk about john ford and his plight to

1948
01:21:19,430 --> 01:21:17,679
get out of his

1949
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:19,440
shitty little prison excuse my language

1950
01:21:23,750 --> 01:21:21,440
but uh we'll be here next week with our